JOHN TITOR

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Although there is debate over the exact date it started, on November 02, 2000, a person calling themselves Timetravel_0, and later John Titor, started posting on a public forum that he was a time traveler from the year 2036.
One of the first things he did was post pictures of his time machine and its operations manual. As the weeks went by, more and more people began questioning him about why he was here, the physics of time travel and his thoughts about our time. He also posted on other forums including the now non-existent Art Bell site. In his posts John Titor entertained, angered, frightened and even belittled those who engaged him in conversation.
On March 21, 2001, John Titor told us he would be leaving our and returning to 2036. After that, he was never heard from again. Speculation and investigation about who John Titor was and why he was online continues to this day.
Although it may be easy to dismiss all this as science fiction, most people who read his posts agree that there is something very haunting about John Titor and what he said. In addition, and open to more debate, he also made a series of predictions and comments that eerily seem to be coming true.



"This is a picture taken in the fall of 2035 during my training. It shows my instructor beaming a handheld laser outside the vehicle during operation. The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit. The beam is visible through smoke that is coming from his cigar."
Here is my only concern.


He claims the light from the laser is being bent as it passes through the gravitational field of the device. If this was the case, ALL the light passing near the device would be bent. This would give a gravitational lensing effect that would be noticeable in the image. Also, the light reflecting off the smoke particles would also be bent on its return trip to the observer, thus the laser beam would still appear straight to the observer.




JOHN'S WORLD IN 2036


The following posts are isolated to questions and comments about John's
worldline in 2036.
What are your memories of 2036?
I remember 2036 very clearly. It is difficult to describe 2036 in detail
without spending a great deal of time explaining why things are so
different.
In 2036, I live in central Florida with my family and I'm currently
stationed at an Army base in Tampa. A world war in 2015 killed nearly three
billion people. The people that survived grew closer together. Life is
centered on the family and then the community. I cannot imagine living even
a few hundred miles away from my parents.
There is no large industrial complex creating masses of useless food and
recreational items. Food and livestock is grown and sold locally. People
spend much more time reading and talking together face to face. Religion is
taken seriously and everyone can multiple and divide in the heads.
How is our worldline different from this one?
For starters, the fact that I'm here makes it different. I've also noticed
little things like news events that happen at different times, football
games won by other teams, things like that.
I would guess the temporal divergence between this world line and my
original is about 1 or 2 percent. Of course, the longer I am here, the
larger that divergence becomes from my point of view.
Are you drawn back to your worldline of origin for any reason? Is
instability a problem for you?

I'm not sure what you mean by stable. If you mean mentally, there are many
things that bother me here but being with my parents right now is important
to me. Physically, the only thing really wrong is the number of colds I get.
Are you able to return to your home?
Yes.
Do people know where you are? Can you communicate with your home?
No. They do not know where I am and I cannot communicate with them.
Interesting idea though. From their point of view, I will return almost
exactly at the same moment I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have
aged more than expected.
You do not rewrite history. I can only affect what happens here just as
easily as you can. Why do people in this time period worry so much about
time traveller’s destroying their world line when they have no problem doing
it themselves every day?
My goal is not to be believed. Most people do not take news of the war very
well but I find that everyone believes it's inevitable. Even in your own
history, are not great inventions and discoveries made during a time of war
in your effort to kill and maim in new and more efficient ways?
No, I do not work for GE or any other company. Are "stock tips" really the
first thing you want to know about in the future? As a representative of
your time period, do you realize what that says about you? You should
probably know that this time is not remembered for its selflessness, charity
or ability to work together.
Why would I want to talk to you? Why don't you believe you have something
interesting or worthwhile to say to someone in the future?

No, the ice caps are not melting any faster than they are now. There is also
far less smog and industrial waste in 2036.
You asked about the North Polar ice pack. I never said the environment
wasn't a problem. Doesn't water expand when it freezes? If the polar ice cap
melted, wouldn't sea level go down? I don't know if there's enough ice for
this to make a difference and I'm not an expert on global warming.
Yes, I realize people become hostile. I don't expect anyone to believe me
and I have nothing to sell. I take no offense by it. Just out of curiosity,
if you were a time traveler, what do you think it would take to get people
to believe you?
I suppose we could agree that no particular era in history is famous for its
development of humanity but just once I would like to hear questions like,
"What is family life like in the future? How does society deal with poverty?
Is AIDS, abortion and drug use still a problem?"
Why don't I give you a stock tip? The money you make would dilute the
intelligence and forethought that a smart person had in picking the stock
all by themselves. If I told you how to get rich, I would be taking money
from them and giving it to you.
I am not aware of any physical change to my DNA or "aura". I do however seem
to be more susceptible to colds.
Yes, you will remember me if you want to. Worldlines do not change that way
and I will only become an insignificant part of your history.
Yes I believe in Jesus Christ and we pray to God in churches. There are some
differences you may be interested in. Religion is a major part of people's
life in 2036. Pain and change tend to bring people together and closer to
God. However, religion is far more personal than it is now. There are no
huge, centralized religions and people talk openly about their beliefs. It
might also interest you to know that the day of worship is Saturday, the day
God meant to be the Sabbath and the 10 commandments have been restored to the "10" that God gave us.
Life is much more rural in the future but "high" technology is used to
communicate and travel. People raise a great deal of their own food and do
more "farm" work. Yes, compared to now, we do work long hours. After the
war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West coast of
Florida. My closest friend raises horses and another works for a company
that maintains "wireless" Internet nodes.
Life has changed so much over my lifetime that it's hard to pin down a
"normal" day. When I was 13, I was a soldier. As a teenager, I helped my dad
haul cargo. I went to college when I was 31 and I was recruited to "time
travel" shortly after that. Again, I suppose an average day in 2036 is like
an average day on the farm.
Yes, there is a post office. The Internet is still alive and well in the
future. People spend more time talking because life is more centred on the
community. I've noticed the same type of effect here when the power goes
off. People tend to come out of their homes and actually spend time with
their neighbours. There is a lot more personal trust and less paranoia.
When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on
a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to
the Gulf. Most of our neighbours make a living off the sea or in moving cargo
by boat.
No new information there (on UFOs and aliens). I find that an interesting
subject myself. Personally, I think "UFOs" might be time travellers with very
sophisticated distortion units. But that might be a bit wacky.
One of the biggest reasons why food production is localized is because the
environment is affected with disease and radiation. We are making huge
strides in getting it cleaned up. Water is produced on a community level and
we do eat meat that we raise ourselves.
Yes, genetic engineering is used but it's like any other technology. It can
be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid seeds. What are people thinking?
I am a Christian Agnostic (Did John mean Gnostic?). I do not believe faith
alone is enough to get us back to God. I'm not sure what happens when we die
but I'm pretty sure it's not a walk in the park.
We are working on it (space travel).
My greatest joy is sailing. For fun, I enjoy swimming, playing cards,
reading, playing games on the net and talking with people who live in other
countries. As a community, we celebrate much more and have bon fires and
dances. My hobby is sorting through old magazines and videos of life before
the war.
After the war, early new communities gathered around the current
Universities. That's where the libraries were. I went to school at Fort UF,
which is now called the University of Florida. Not too much is different
except the military is large part of people's life and we spend a great deal
of time in the fields and farms at the "University" or Fort.
Most of my memories growing up are not fond. Life was very hard. Simple
things make me happy like hugging my mother and father. Yes, we have
cameras. More digital. Film is used like painting is today. No hologram
camera though.
Yes we have phones but the service is through the web. Most power generation
is localized. It amazes me how much power is wasted now. Yes, solar is big.
There is thought that a singularity generator could also be used but most
people are against it.
The elderly are highly revered and looked after on a community level. So are
orphans. There is always something people can do now matter what. The idea
of avoiding work is looked down on. Everyone pulls together to keep the
COMMUNITY strong.
Hats are more common in the future and flashy colours are less common. Dress
is much more functional and we "dress up" whenever we get a chance. I have
noticed that no one in this time dresses for occasions even when they have
the clothes. Why do people wear shorts to church?
We do not spend nearly the amount of time on our hair as people do now.
Women like to wear their hair longer and men have it much shorter. Both
sexes shave it all off when they're in active military service.
Far less medical treatment in the future even though It's more advanced.
People die when they now its time to die. No lasers. Genetic medicine and
cloning organs are the obvious new techs in the future.
The Constitution was changed after the war. We have 5 presidents that are
voted in and out on different term periods. The vice president is the
president of the senate and they are voted separately.
We have cars, just not a whole bunch of them. There is public transportation
from city to city.
If I could bring some material thing back to your time from 2036, it would
be a copy of the new US Constitution.
Can you explain what the purpose of time travel is on your worldline?
In 2036, a great deal of effort is going into "repairing" our environment. I
was sent to 1975 to get a computer system and take it back to 2036. Time
travel is not a secret in 2036 and I expect it will become more common.
Why is time travel used?
Right now, its used to get information or "items" that would be helpful in
getting a post WWIII world back to a normal condition. There are 7 other
time travellers in my unit.
Where do time travellers go the most?
Right now, most of our practical missions are from 1960 to 1980. There is a
great deal of research into later and future periods but the farther you go,
the lower the divergence confidence of the world line.
Has cancer or AIDS been cured yet?
Aids, no. Cancer, some progress.
What would you say to any world leaders who might be reading this right now?
Revel in your confidence today because you will not win tomorrow.
Earlier you spoke about the patch you wear on your uniform. You said the
spirals represented two paths. One was safe and the other lead to God. What
does that mean?

The safe way is the one calculated to take you in time where you want to go,
the other path will take you to God (death). Both are equally accepted and
anticipated before each trip.
What is music like in 2036?
Most of the same music you enjoy is available on archive. However the days
of mega-stars playing multiple track studio produced music and lip-synching
on a huge stage are pretty much isolated to your time period. Like
everything else, music is much less centralized. The general trend is away
from "computer generated" music and more toward real people playing real
instruments. Music is much more of a personal experience. More people know
how to read music and play together in small groups.
What are the social prejudices in 2036?
Yes there are. However, as odd as it may sound, it serves a useful purpose
in my time. First, you must realize that your experiences with "prejudice"
and mine are different. I would characterize the intolerance you have here
as a result of ignorance and fear. I have observed that people with
unfounded and irrational fears about their fellow man in this time have the
luxury of not having their beliefs tested.
After the war, much of the prejudice you have now was swept away by simple
necessity. People had to work and fight together just to survive. This has a
way of opening a person's eyes as to the value of fellow human beings.
What difference does the colour of a man's skin make when you are both
fighting against the same enemy to survive or find water or grow food? On my
world line, if a man doesn’t pull his weight in the community, then we
feel prejudice towards him as a burden to us. This feeling of shame he
experiences then makes him realize his responsibilities.
What is the health care like in 2036?
You would probably not like it at all. I would compare it to what you see in
Western movies. We do have hospitals but there are more family doctors and
house calls as compared to what you are used to. There is no real organized
health care. If you get a serious disease, you die. This however has had a
tendency to strengthen the general genetic pool. Doctors are more concerned
about things like broken legs, snakebites and delivering healthy babies.
What is the entertainment industry like in 2036?
Again, entertainment is less centralized. There are "movies" and "TV" but
everything is distributed over the net and more people produce their own
"shows".
What's it like to start from nothing and work your way up in 2036?
Very easy. If you can work with your hands and get along with other people,
you will always find work.
Could you travel in time to escape your original worldline? Would you be
looked down on for that?

From a physical standpoint, I suppose that would work if you were trying to
escape a natural disaster. But you must consider that trying to "escape" by
time travelling has its own problems. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by
being looked down on.
Is there some sort of new world government in place by 2011?
On my world line in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war
that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments.
When you first started posting online, did anyone believe you?
I don't know if anyone believes me now. But you must realize that I don't
expect anyone to believe me or does it affect me one way or the other. I
enjoy these conversations too. What would you expect a time traveller to say
or do in your time?
How far have computers and software progressed in 2036?
Good question! I would say the biggest difference is in the reliability of
the hardware and software. It absolutely amazes me how willing people are
here to accept computer and software failures on such a regular basis. I was
very surprised to see how prolific it is. You can look forward to very
stringent manufacturing parameters and programming discipline. Think back to
the early days of the computer and how much work and cleverness it took to
fit those programs into such small areas of memory. Has more and cheaper
memory brought better programs or just more programs?
As far as technical specifics, I'm afraid I cannot go into too much detail.
However, I will tell you that processor speed and memory size take dramatic
leaps forward.
Who won the Super Bowl in 2001?
I do not answer questions like this. Although I don't really know the
motivation for the question. I can guess. If a time traveller had knowledge of
your future, and you could only ask one question, would this be it? Besides,
can you tell me if it rained in New York on June 4th 1932? You are from
their future so should you know that?
What type of money do you use in 2036?
Its not very different than it is now. Yes, we have money and credit cards.
However, like everything else, the monetary system is decentralized. Banking
is based mostly around the community structure. There are no multinational
banking or computerized economic systems. There are also no income taxes.
Are radio location systems still used on livestock?
Some of the larger farm communities use electronic markers and fences. I am
not a farmer so I don't have very many details about that.
Is the GPS system still in use in 2036?
Oh yes! In fact, the unit I have with me works here. I'm not sure why that
surprises me. There are also a great many communications and Internet
satellite systems.
Do you still have an American flag? What does it look like in 2036?
Yes, we still have the flag. There is a debate about changing it from 50
stars to 5.
Do any of the states have new names?
Not that I can think of... No major cities anyway. I am aware that some
smaller towns changed their names after the war and most universities have
the word "fort" before them on my world line.
Is it still safe to fish in 2036?
Yes, we can fish. There are some areas that are still too dangerous to
spend a lot of time in so we can't fish in those areas.
Is there public transportation in 2036?
A high-speed train system connects the larger cities. Roads are still used
for cars and many people ride horses and bikes.
What music and books do you enjoy? Do you play an instrument?
I read a great deal of history. I like piano classics and some older rock
and roll. (why did that type of music go so far down hill?) No, I don't play
any instruments myself.
Are you taking pictures and video?
Oh yes.
What is your favourite food?
It's very hard for me to find food here. It all scares the Hell out of me.
I've found a couple of local farms where I am reasonably sure the raw food
is safe and my mother started a garden for me.
Do medical advances in 2036 have anything to do with genetics?
Again, I'm no expert. I believe there is a great deal of progress in
treating the cancer cells with modified viruses. So I guess the answer is
yes.
The question involved details on natural disasters and temperatures in 2036.
That's one area I've decided not to talk about, sorry. The average
temperature worldwide is a bit cooler.
Is time travel discussed on the web in 2036? Do you recognize any web sites
now from the future?

Time travel is a major point of social discussion. I'll have to check when I
get back. Most of the larger servers that were in the major cities were lost
or destroyed. I'll try to bring a copy back with me. Perhaps you can check
that in your 2036.
Does anything happen in the year 2012? I've heard stories about the world
ending.

In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and
hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its
7th year and the world war was three years away. Yes, there are unusual
events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately, I have
decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is
important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story
of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?
The question lists a number of paranormal conspiracy theories and then asks
about weather control in the year 2036.
I must admit I am unfamiliar with most of what you have asked here. I am
aware of the Harp system but I don't know how they would control weather
with it.
Please describe any details you can about the education system in 2036.
The education system has been through many changes. School in 2036 is no
longer a political indoctrination system and students "learn how to learn".
Since community activity varies from place to place, the emphasis on basic
reading, math and language is augmented with skills particular to the
community. One school may emphasis farming while another teaches
woodworking. Having children is a bit different and less common in 2036. A
typical school day involves a setting very much like it was 100 years ago
with smaller classes and few administrators to teachers. Other areas of
study that are less common now are history, citizenship and personal
economics.
If you could post a picture of money used in the future, that would be more
impressive than your time machine pictures.

I am disappointed that you feel I am trying to impress you. Why would I
bring money from 2036 with me? Besides, isn't that something that could
easily be faked? Now if I told you I was your cousin's brother and I knew
about that scare on your left leg. that would convince you.
Where do you think all the water came from in the great flood stories?
I believe the explanation for the "great flood" stories originate with the
changes that occurred near the Mediterranean at the end of the last ice age.
Even on this worldline, there is a great deal of evidence to support the
fact that sea levels did change radically in isolated areas worldwide.
I also heard someplace that if the ice mass on Antarctica melted today, sea
level worldwide would rise about 100 feet. I'm not exactly sure that's true
but still. Mt. Everest might be a bit of a stretch.
I do however agree with you that there are no physical paradoxes but for the
opposite reasoning.
In 2036, community life is a bit different. People are valued and judged
based on their contribution and worth. Work is organized around the family
and the value of that work is assessed inside of the community. Most
communities range in size from 1000 to 4000 people. If a family wanted to
move from one community to another or if a son or daughter wanted to move to
another community, they must apply and be interviewed by the community
leadership council. During this process, the family or individual is
evaluated as to whether or not the work or skill they have is required or
necessary to that individual community. Once accepted, the family or
individual is expected to uphold their end of the work and support the
community. If they don't, the community stops supporting them and they are
forced to change their attitude or move away from the community.
The family work we did was picking, sorting and shipping oranges by sailboat
up and down the coast of Florida. We were expected to produce a certain
amount for the community and a certain amount for other communities as
agreed to by our CLC. In exchange, we received power, water, a certain
amount of food and other necessities that were produced inside our
community.
I see this message board as a small community and I have no other way to
value the contributions of others on it other than what my past experiences
tell me. I have tried to answer as many questions as I can without being
annoying, repetitive or inappropriate, and for some of you, entertaining.
Under these conditions, I have decided to seek guidance from all of you, the
other members of this community, as to whether or not my postings are of any
value to the direction of these discussions. If they are getting distracting
or repetitive, I will stop and continue to enjoy reading your thoughts and
ideas.
Who receives the Nobel Prize for time travel? Since you claim no two
worldlines are the same, this information could not hurt anything.

There are a great many people involved with the discovery of time travel.
Just as I will not give "stock tips", I will not divulge their names as that
may impact their lives now.
What would happen if you gave us technical information that's discovered in
a year or so?

If I had any and I published them, I'm sure they may have a large impact.
Unfortunately, I don't have any with me. Even if I did, I'm sure they would
be scrutinized. Again we get back to the same question. If you were a time
traveller, what would you do to establish your credibility?
What happens to (name of person asking question)? Am I involved in Time
Travel? What of the (armed) resistance?

I have no idea what happens to you in your future. There was a resistance on
my worldline but their goal was to maintain power and control over other
people. We killed most of them by 2020.
Are there still books in 2036?
Yes, books are still published.
What do they look for when choosing someone for a mission?
Depending on the mission, time travellers are usually chosen for a particular
mission based on their ability to gain the cooperation of someone related to
the goal on the target worldline. In my case, my grandfather was directly
involved with the building and programming of the 5100.
If a time traveller is bad and commits murder or goes crazy, is there anyway
they can be recalled?

There is a difference of philosophy between us that should be clarified.
Since I believe that all possible outcomes and events are possible, probable
and certain, it is impossible to assign "goodness" or "badness" to a person
or situation.
On some other worldline, I am an insane time traveller causing destruction
and death while (name of forum member who confronts John on a regular basis) chases me with his band of devoted followers. However, on this one, I am not. Since both events are certain, their value is neutral.
You can only assign goodness and badness to the events and experiences you
have direct control over or witness. Only actions are good and bad, not
people or things. I suppose if I was a psychotic killer, I could accomplish
my mission, avoid capture and still return to my worldline of origin without
penalty. There would be no way for them to know what happened. However, I
believe that action is wrong and I would be accountable to my God.
How do you know our worldline and yours will follow the same path?
This worldline and my own are almost exactly alike.
Why don't you give us more detailed information about the future so we won't
be so skeptical?

I think scepticism is a good thing and no one should lose it.
You could still give us details about the future that wouldn't harm anyone
and still add to your credibility.

Again, I do not seek to add to my credibility. There is no point to it.
Actually, by providing information that was useful, I would be adding to
your collective fear that I am real. In that case, this cycle we are in
concerning "truth" only spirals and gets worse.
Why can't you name the five presidents you have in your time?
Over the past few postings, I have tried to describe the limits of what I
will talk about and why. Here is a short recap list. In future postings, I
will place the following number next to each question as to why I will not
discuss it.
1. I will not disclose any information that will cause someone to personally
gain by its knowledge. This means no stock or sports tips.
2. I will not disclose any detailed information that would allow someone to
avoid death by probability. This means no earthquake or bombing information.
3. I will not disclose any information that may compromise any future
actions by individual people or threaten their family and well-being.
On my worldline, we are no longer afraid of the "NWO". Are you afraid of
Nazis?
The reason the job of President was split into an office of 5 has 4 main
reasons. With 5 (presidents), foreign policy is more consistent, power
shifting between parties has less of an impact on the overall government,
individual strengths between presidents add to the strength of the overall
office, and one president is elected for each major area in the United
States.
What is the extent of Presidential power in 2036?
The office of President is far more diluted and decentralized than it is
here. The powers of the national government are more defined and reside more at the county and state level.
What is the new government like in 2036 compared to the current one?
I think the new government is good. However, since the concept of nationally
subsidized welfare is gone, most people here may not appreciate it.
Where is the new US capitol?
The new US capitol is in Omaha Nebraska.
How do the 5 presidents take power?
The voting for individual candidates is on a rotating schedule.
What are the other time travellers' destinations, and missions?
I am not aware of the details of other missions. Of the seven, three had
already left before I did. I suspect they are on similar missions.
Is it possible to send a message through time?
Unless the information physically travels with the person; none that I'm
aware of.
If you're from the future, than you should know what happens to (personal
names of people on forum)? Am I involved in time travel?

This is the only question I found from your postings that you could be
referring to. Again, I have no knowledge of you in any possible future nor
would I comment on it if I did. As far as the photograph of me in a uniform,
I'm not sure what that would prove even if I had one.
Your future seems to be fixated on killing people. Isn't there a criminal
justice system or do you just enjoy killing people?

Perhaps you could take the dialogue in question and post it with your
question. However, if I understand you, you're asking about death on my
worldline. Yes, it is more a part of our lives than it is yours (at least
for now) and capitol punishment is a reality.
Although the documents posted were printed from a computer printer, is it
really that hard to believe that manual typing is just a bit more common in
thirty years? After the war, many things like manual printing machines,
bicycles, sailboats and hand tools were valued a great deal. I have noticed
more people in California are installing wood burning stoves.
Are the Olympics still being played in the future?
As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after
2004. However, it appears they may be revived in 2040.
What sort of future do you imagine after 2036? Will we colonize the solar
system?

Keep in mind that not all humans were destroyed but we were all affected.
There is an effort going into colonizing space because it is believed that
the problems of overpopulation were a large cause of the war. Personally, my
generation sees itself as having a duty to try and repair the mess our
fathers handed to us. When we were young, most of us had a small taste of
the world you live in now and our only dream is to clean it up and give it
back to those still able to have children.
(1) Industrialized mass production does not produce the uncountable tonnage
of useless consumer items so gleefully absorbed by your society. I would
estimate there are about 10 units like mine (C204) and twenty larger units
(C206). The main difference is the sensitivity and number of the main Caesium
clocks. I would estimate that some sort of public time travel will be common
around 2045.
(2) I'm not aware of any other time traveller’s "here" now. But if they are
here, I'm sure they're pouring over sports history books so they can go back
in time another week and start a friendly conversation on the web.
(3) The "Mad Cow" story here is yet to begin but don't worry, the fruited
gelatine deserts are safe.
(4) I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I
suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no armer" and a
"no legger".
Unfortunately, winners of historical sports betting events are not high on
the priority list of people in 2036. As a thought experiment, if I did tell
you who the winning horse was and you killed it before the final race, would
that make me a liar or would it support my statement that our worldlines are
about 2% different? Do you know who won that race 30 years ago?
If you could change one thing about your government right now, what would it
be?
The United States is still a representative republic in 2036 but it was
touch and go for a while. After the war, the U.S. had divided into 5 general
areas based on their economic and defensive strengths. Many people blamed
the government organization for the war and the last Constitutional Congress
was held in 2020 to officially scrap the Constitution and start over.
Fortunately, this exercise in anger pointed out how hard it was to come up
with anything better. It was decided the document wasn't at fault. As a
result, there have been a few small changes to the Constitution and the
executive branch but you would easily recognize it. The average citizen is
more educated about the Constitution and aware of the rights and
responsibilities it gives them. Federal power has been decentralized and the
focus of daily politics is in the state senates. Federal law has also been
streamlined but much harder to change or make additions to.
The people who sign my pay check told me why we needed a 5100 and sent me off to get one. I was not in a position to make alternate suggestions. As I
recall, isn't the Cray a rather large system? We need something portable.
The 5100 isn't required for its reliability, its needed to translate between
APL, UNIX and a few obscure IBM mainframe languages.
The fishing is great and you're more than welcome to join us but the "me"
here is only three. I'll have to tell him your coming.
Can you give us some personal stories of your past?
I was born in 1998 so I do share some childhood memories with all of you. I
remember going to Disney World at Christmas and I remember going to the
beach in Daytona. When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people
generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil
rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and
rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbour across the street
was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the
city.
From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our
time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the
federal police and National Guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we
were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and
the "country" was well defined. My father made a living by putting together
12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast
of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.
Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry
unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years.
(Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it). The civil war
ended in 2015 when Russia attacked the U.S. cities (our enemy), China and
Europe. As unusual and bad as my childhood might seem, I wouldn't trade it
for anything.
Africa is not a pleasant place to be in 2036 although I would characterize
it as recovering.
The music you enjoy now is quite popular and available it's just not
produced in anywhere near the same amount. There is a revival of "local" and
classical music. Many people have learned to play their own. I personally
enjoy Big Band, some Classical and interesting lyrical pieces from the 1970s
and 1980s.
Yes, we still have football and you will easily recognize it in 2036.
Yes, there are significant advances in computer science. It's interesting
how easy it is to be fixated on the "machine" itself without any curiosity
about many of the support systems. This is not really big news but if / then
is out and if /then /maybe is in.
Yes I am with the "me" on this worldline and he is three now. I find that
fact to be rather hard for people to get along with so I don't bring it up
directly. This is the second time I have "met myself".
The "machine" is owned by the military. I am part of a unit stationed in
Tampa Florida. The real energy is in creating the machine, not operating it.
It's interesting you should bring up the divergence percentage. You may find
it entertainingly interesting to know that the divergence can be more
accurate with more sensitive gravity sensors and clocks. The C206 uses 6
Caesium clocks and an active method of timing the changes in the atom.
We time travel to solve problems. A great deal of effort is going into
repairing the environment and infrastructure.
(1) Who wins the (sporting event) for the next 20 years?
I don't know. Even if I did, you could stop the horse(s)anyway and make it
untrue.
(2) Who will be elected president for the next 20 years?
Please see number 2.
(3) Will there still be (popular motorcycle) around when you are born?
I was born in 1998.
(4) Please tell me the price of gold for the last 20 years.
I don't understand the importance of this type of information. Please tell
me your opinion why this is interesting and worth remembering for 30 years.
(5) Will it still be lawful for me to own handguns?
I thought owning a handgun was legal in the United States? Yes, being
familiar with firearms (along with the other responsibilities of the
Constitution) becomes an important part of people's lives in thirty years.
Korea United?
I guess you could say that. Taiwan, Japan and Korea were all "forcefully
annexed" before N Day.
I don't remember a great deal about media coverage during the civil
conflicts. I would probably characterize it the same way you see coverage of
Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez.
From my viewpoint, yes, this is an alternate timeline. From your viewpoint,
no.
Australia is sort of interesting in what is unknown. After the war, they
were not very cooperative or friendly (can't blame them really). It is known
they did repulse a Chinese invasion and most of their cities were hit. They
have a trading relationship with the U.S. but I would characterize them as
reclusive and ticked off.
After reading the questions, I want to paint a picture that may help with
the general theme of our collective experience in 2036. The war had very
profound affects on people and how they relate to each other. As
individuals, almost everyone in 2036 is very familiar with death. We all
have stories of loved ones that have died from disease, war or acts of
inhumanity. Most of us have even taken part in dishing the same thing out to
the other side. As a result, we have become far more compassionate to the
ones we love but mush less forgiving to those who don't pull their weight.
We are more accepting of other's differences in our community because we
depend on them to survive. We are also more conservative with our resources
and closer to God because for a period, life on Earth was Hell.
The other major difference is in the concept of good and evil. With multiple
worlds come multiple decisions and outcomes. For every good act, there is an
equal and possible bad act on another worldline. Taken to the extreme, this
must mean that in God's eyes, there is no total good and total bad in the
superverse. It balances itself out to infinity. I believe we are judged on
the decisions we make as individuals and the good/evil I see on my worldline
is an illusion that has no worth to God. My reaction to it is what's
important to God. Although this may seem rather heartless, it does allow me
to see past the evil that people do and acknowledge the core of potential
goodness inside them.
5. We do not live in a racist society but definitely a prejudice one.
Everyone carries their own water.
6. Our government looks very much like yours. It is a representative
republic.
7. My definition of a patriot is anyone who defends the Constitution
against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
8. Religion has become far less centralized. Extremes tend to bring you
closer to God so I would characterize religion and spirituality as a much
more of a personal institution.
10. It's difficult to define the most predominant religion. Christianity
has fragmented into many groups and people with different beliefs speak mush
more openly with others who have different outlooks and opinions. I would
imagine there are large groups of Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims but I have
not come across them personally.
11. No, Jesus did not come back. At least not that I'm aware of. If or when
Jesus returns, do you think he'll be a lamb or a lion?
12. No mission to Mars but we are working on it. There is a group working
on the idea of gravity displacement to get into space but the calculations
and error rate are very large obstacles to overcome.
13. We don't know what's on Mars yet.
14. We're not on the moon yet either. A great deal of technical effort is
going into cleaning the planet up.
15. I'm not aware of any "mind control" devices being used on you now.
However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development
that turn out to be quite lethal. Sometimes I watch your television programs
that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out
with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new
weapons systems." When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU!
You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters
overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?
16. I'm not familiar with the term Psionics. I'll look it up and see if we
just have another word for it.
17. Yes, Europe is a mess.
18. Yes, I think the New World Order idea tried to establish itself. I
would consider them the combination of the old U.S. federal system, Europe,
Canada and Australia.
19. When you say "teleportation", I assume you mean public transportation.
Yes, we have a basic high-speed system.
20. I don't know if the government created AIDS. I tend to think yes but
controlling it escaped them as it mutated. You can't have conspiracy to
limit the population with a disease without the cure.
21. Yes, homosexuals are in the army. You tend to look past the individual
differences of people when their job is to protect your life.
22. Yes, there are "gay" people in 2036.
23. I am a white male.
24. Yes, there is an entertainment industry. Again, it is very
decentralized. The technology to express yourself with video is so readily
available that many people do it all by themselves or in small groups. Much
of the distribution is over the web. I would compare it theatre here.
25. I don't know what you mean by VR?
26. The average lifespan is about 60 but I expect that will improve as we
get things cleaned up.
27. Yes, paper money is still widely used.
28. The 21st century has awhile to go but the most significant person in my
opinion is the farmer-general who led us to victory.
29. Even for you, Tesla technology can be found in appliances, motors and
generators. I would have to say we have come a long way on Tesla's
foundation but we don't have electricity rays that cause earthquakes.
31. Yes, we have the death penalty. We also have public punishment.
32. The most common crime is theft.
33. I don't understand what you mean by "race mixing".
34. Cloning is not common. However, altering the sperm and egg cell are
common. It is very difficult to have children in 2036 for environmental
reasons.
35. It's hard to say what the exact racial make up of the U.S. is. I would
say it's probably the same minus 130 million people or so.
36. No, there is no segregation.
37. The education system is very similar to yours but the organization and
implementation is controlled on a community and county level. Various
communities also specialize in certain disciplines.
38-39. My comments on equal rights and "women's roles" could be quite
lengthy and controversial. I wish to discuss that separately. However, women
do fight in the military just as the men do but their role on the community
level is very conservative.
40. Having children is such a serious issue in 2036 that birth control is
almost unheard of. It is very difficult and precious to have and raise
children. Again, this is an issue I will be happy to go into later.
41. Yes, there are same sex marriages but it's not very common. Again,
people have lived through so much hardship that if what someone else is
doing does not affect them or harm the community, it's not a big issue.
42. South America went relatively unharmed. However, there is still a great
deal of internal conflict with conventional arms.
43. Yes, people use drugs that alter consciousness but they are not very
common.
44. Yes, I know who the Beatles are. Old music and other entertainment is
available on the web.
45. There is another Pope but I do not know his name.
Yes, EMP took out a great number of electronic devices. That's one of the
reasons why we don't have reliable technology laying around. However, in the
opening hours of N Day, the Russians did not launch any high altitude
detonations. They knew we would most likely clean up after them so they
wanted everyone outside the cities to be able to communicate. Most of the
warheads that hit the cities came in threes and exploded close to the
ground. The heavy EMP damage was isolated to those areas.
Actually, you will probably be quite impressed with our Internet. It's based
on a series of independent, self-powered nodes that are mobile and can be
put up anywhere. It looks a great deal like your current cell phone system.
Yes, there are a great many people who think that Revelations has come to
pass. However, the new fear is that Christ has returned, he's not telling us
and he's very angry. I am not familiar with the Fatima Prophesies but I am
aware of the term. I was not sent here to change anything. Since it would
not affect my home anyway, it would be rather pointless.
Yes, handmade items and the skills to make them are quite prevalent and
people take a great deal of pride in their work. People with the skills to
make clothing, work with leather and wood or cultivate a garden have become
quite valuable. Please do not think your questions are unimportant. I enjoy
the conversation.
Fiji? I've noticed that when most Americans think about Canada in this time,
they think about pine trees, chooks and back-bacon. It may interest you to
know that most Canadians in 2036 are some of the most efficient, ruthless
and dangerous people I know. God help Quebec.
You couldn't even answer one simple question about music?
Unfortunately, your question is rather difficult for me. Any personal
experience I might have with your worldline at a specific moment is limited
to my viewpoint and age. I can't tell you what music is popular in the next
few years because the "me" here is only three years old. In addition, how
does someone decide what the most popular music trend is? It would seem
rather subjective to me. Thinking about it now I sort of wonder what it
would be like to be a teenager now and know the answer to that question.
When I was thirteen I used to worry about which shotgun slug would take a
door handle off and whether or not I had any dry socks. Current fallout
estimates are accurate but a bit exaggerated.
Your example of what people would do based on something I might say is
accurate. However, my concern would be the potential actions of a single
person, not the masses. In 1963, if I suggested that someone should watch
the book depository windows as the President went by, the actions of a
single person might have a huge impact on history. You also asked if I've
visited my "past" family. That's where I am now.
John mentions that he has no idea what GINGER is but he mentions media hype and alludes to IT not amounting to much.
Again, I don't believe I said that either. My point in that conversation was
about feeling manipulated by hype. Since they ARE asking you to buy
something, I would be very interested in your lengthy and critical postings
about ITS credibility. If you could post that link I would very much like to
see it.
John says the mechanical typewriter is a major machine again in the future
and the Internet still exists and is widely used.
Actually, what I said was, ".you may be surprised at how many people use
typewriters." I don't understand the conflict. What's wrong with
typewriters? At least you don't have to plug them in.
What is the speed of the average computer in the future?
GHz is not a useful measurement. Computers are no longer measured by their
speed as mush as the number of variables (not calculations) they can handle
per second.
Who is the major super power in 2036?
It depends on how you define power. If you mean military, the world has
developed into an odd balance. There are plenty of nuclear weapons left but
if anyone uses them they, will be instantly erased from the planet by
everyone else, regardless of the politics. We are very tired of war.
Are the two political parties still Republicans and Democrats?
There are no Republicans or Democrats to speak of. There are now over 10
major political parties.
How many States are there?
The states, as you know them, still exist but their political power has been
combined with other states around them. There are now 5 major geopolitical
areas in the United States.
Which states are the worst to live in?
When you can't drink the water its bad everywhere.
Do companies like (popular software and Internet names) still exist?
No.
Does money look different than it does now?
No, money is pretty much the same. Unfortunately, I do not have any money
with me because I wouldn't be able to use it here.
Does the government know there that time travel going on?
In 2036, yes.
How many time travellers are there on your team? How do they choose new ones?
My unit has between 6 and 10. When I left, there were 7 others. Military
service, physical fitness, history or technical background and special
relationship to target contacts get you in the door.
Why can't you answer questions about natural disasters? No one can change
something now that would cause an earthquake or stop one.
I will not share information that would allow someone to avoid death by
probability.
PERSONAL RULES FOR TEMPORAL DISCLOSURE:
(1). I will not disclose any information that will cause someone to
personally gain by its knowledge.
(2). I will not disclose any detailed information that would allow someone
to avoid death by probability.
(3). I will not disclose any information that may compromise any future
actions by individual people or threaten their family and well being.
What kind of music is popular, what kind of recreation is enjoyable, what
holidays are important?

I'm not sure if you wanted to discuss these or not. If yes, I will be happy
to do that.
Do you feel some pleasure in breathing clean air and not having to check a
radiation counter every few miles?

Yes I do. However there is a fear about being here that I can only define as
uncertainty. When I walk around in 2001, the air smells clean but I wonder
if it really is. In 2036, there is no grey. The air is either clean or it
will kill you. That feeling is very overwhelming when I eat here.
Name any near future event that makes history.
You mean other than the mad cow pandemic, the breakthroughs in high-energy
physics and the unknown functions of the 5100? I realize I've only been on
this board for a few weeks but I assume you've read the other postings I've
made about these issues months ago in order to be so definitive.
Is propane still around in the future?
Yes but not very much of it comes from natural gas. Hydrogen is converted
into propane because it's easier to handle.
I would hope the location I live in would be spared (the Hawaiian Islands).
My parents went to Hawaii on their Honeymoon. My dad told me a quick story
about going to a fast food store and paying 6 or 7 dollars for a hamburger.
I got an image in my head of a huge tanker filled with frozen hamburgers
headed into the Pacific. Hawaii is very dependant on the mainland for food,
isn't it?
Thank you for your kind words.
Does the last name (forum personal name) have any historical relevance?
You may leave a message to yourself if you wish.
What happens with Australia?
I believed I wrote about Australia a bit earlier.
What colloquial language is used in the future?
Many people use the Internet for communication and entertainment. I would
say that affects our speech. We type very fast.
What exactly happens to the water?
Yes, radiation affected the water but that can always be distilled out.
There are biological hazards that cannot. In addition, fresh water is hard
to come by without talking to someone with a gun first.
Does intercontinental transportation still exist? Have you visited other
countries?

Yes, but the market is much smaller. No, I have not been overseas.
You have said you will not participate in helping anyone avoid 'death by
probability'. Yet many things you have said could have caused an individual
to do or not do something that will now result dying, or escaping death.

It would help if you could give an example. If you are referring to the
conflict and war in your future, I'm not sure I'm specific enough to help
any individuals avoid anything. Suggesting there is a war coming is a bit
different than saying avoid Washington DC at 3:45 AM on March 12, 2015.
There is no way for you to be sure there is no future world leader reading
this and believing you.

Are you sure about that? Besides, I think you can have just as much impact
as any "future leader".
What is more, you will tell us no names, no locations, or any specifics as a
result of your supposed ethics. If those were indeed the ethics you were
committed to and reasoned with, you would not be here now.

I am curious about this also. Do you think I should not interact with you
for your safety or mine?
Answer this and I will believe you until the ends of the Earth.
Again, you should not offer this to anyone for any reason.
Simply inscribe your knowledge of any large-scale events over the next six
months. Encrypt said text file. Give text file to a custodian.
The only problem is, now you have to trust the person who brings the
information forward.
ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY = LOCALIZED KERR FIELD Is this a prediction?
I'm sure I would end up in one of their nice little padded cells while
In your "world time" have things like "Saquatch" , "Loch Ness monster", and
other reported unusual animals?
We have our swamp monsters too. In fact, I think it's interesting that we
all respond to the unknown the same way regardless of our cultural
experiences.
Is remote viewing used to gather military intelligence?
I am only aware of it from this worldline. I don't know otherwise.
Are psychics still common?
Yes, psychics exist but I don't have any knowledge of their use by the
military.
Is there a police force as we know it? Have any of your leaders been jailed
or impeached?

Yes, we have police but they are organized in smaller groups. Yes, we still
have political and religious leaders who find it difficult to obey the law.
I would submit to you that the law is only as good as the people's
willingness to apply it evenly and swiftly.
Is there a Global Superpower state?
Being a superpower only makes you a target. There is an uneasy balance in
the world now that everyone "probably" has nukes, chems or bios. We don't
just bomb people for the hell of it anymore. Military power is based on the
number of autonomous fighting men who are actually willing to fight.
Do they have (old computer games) in 2036?
I am aware they are video games but I have not come across them.
Does China have a manned space program between 2001 and 2036?
I believe they are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It shouldn't
surprise you if they do that soon.
Do you have television in 2036?
Information does arrive on video but cathode ray tubes are out and crystal
or plasma is in. Distribution is over the net, not broadcast.
Do you have flashlights in 2036? If so, what type of batteries does it use?
Yes, we have flashlights and we use similar batteries for most things. We do
recharge a great deal. Have you ever seen those wind-up radios? They're
pretty interesting I think.
How is electricity generated in 2036?
"Most" publicly generated power is through very efficient solar cells. On a
local or household level, there is steam, hydro and inversion generation.
There is a debate on using a singularity to generate power.
Does the sun look different in 2036?
When you can see it through the high level smoke and haze, not that I'm
aware of.
What sort of clothing do you wear in 2036? Is there strong attention paid to
what people wear in the group?

Clothing is much more functional. I'm not sure what group you're talking
about.
John had a (50/50) chance of telling us the future.
Yes, there was a 50/50 chance of that happening but the odds were easily one
out two that it could have gone the other way.
Describe what you mean by functional. Do you wear light colours, dark colours,
loose, tight fitting? What materials are used for the clothing?

Seems a bit obscure to have a discussion about. Do we wear radiation suits?
No. Do we use pockets a lot, yes.
How does this smoke and haze allow for solar cells to be efficient?
Do you have any idea how efficient solar cells are today? Sometimes it's
sunny and sometimes it rains. Sometimes large dust clouds high in the
atmosphere pass overhead. I don't understand the point you want to make. The
sun looks the same.
If each worldline is separate from the others, then wouldn't the
consequences of your actions now have no effect on your original world line?

Yes, that's correct.
If this is the case, why won't you tell us things that will give us
knowledge?

I am not qualified to judge if you deserve it or not and I have no idea if
you may be the next (for lack of a better reference) Hitler. However, if I
were able to physically help you from a situation because I was there and I
knew it was coming, I would help you.
My only guess is that you are not a time traveller, and don't want to make
anyone do something stupid.

Yes, I am aware that is the obvious first answer but I would hope my moral
and logical arguments at least make a dent in your thinking. If you were a
time traveller, would you be comfortable giving out all that information
after considering the possible consequences? (Provided you knew it). If I
were you, I would be worried about what the next time traveller might do,
even by mistake.
How can I leave a message for myself in the future if the things I do in
this worldline do not affect any other?

Just post it here. All this information will probably end up on the web in
2036. If you're alive then and you think ahead for some reason to do a
search on yourself, you might see it. Of course the "you" there would have
no memory of doing it.
Your prediction of (national politics) pending disintegration, beginning in
three short years, is impossible.

Have you see the documentary on Waco? Just for argument's sake, what do you think would happen if information were discovered that confirmed the worst
accusations made against the law enforcement officers there? Would you hope
nothing?
Do you remember any poetry after 2001 in your past?
A Soldier's Winter
The day before it wasn't snowing.
The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my
world, my life, my wandering path.
I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still
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